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July 06, 2008

Interesting comments on Oil

An older article from back in May on Naked Capitalism points to the words of John Dizard of the Financial Times who has interesting remarks overall regarding oil prices.

Eugen Weinberg, a commodities specialist with Commerzbank, who thinks we are in the late stages of a bubble, says: "At the moment we have big inventories worldwide, about 3.5bn barrels in the OECD countries, which does not include China. That is enough so that if Saudi Arabia stopped exporting, the world could run at its present level of demand for a year and a half with no increases in production from other countries."

This led me to look into other remarks by Mr. Weinburg out of interest, such as this Reuters article from June 11th.

Oil should come back down to under $100 in 2009 but the days of $40 or $50 a barrel are long gone, senior commodity analyst Eugen Weinberg told journalists in Frankfurt.

"I think we are seeing an exaggeration in markets right now and the peak can possibly be reached in the next three months," Weinberg said, estimating a peak price of around $150-$170.

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"The trigger for this extremely fast-growing bubble is above all the poor performance of other investment classes, like stocks, bonds and property," Weinberg said, with investors turning to oil for returns.

By contrast, the chief executive of the world's largest energy company, Alexey Miller, the head of the Kremlin-owned gas giant Gazprom, predicts Oil is set to reach $150 a barrel in this Belfast Telegraph article.

In a speech to the European Business Congress in Deauville, France, Mr Miller offered little prospect of relief. He warned that the world was experiencing a fundamental shift in energy prices that will end at a "radically new level. We expect that the oil price will approach $250 per barrel in the foreseeable future".

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Mr Miller's prediction is well beyond even the most heady market forecasts, the most extreme of which fall between $150 and $200 per barrel, and was explained only by vague references to demand from the developing world. It nonetheless stoked an already febrile atmosphere of growing public anger across Europe over a soaring fuel cost that is wreaking havoc at nearly every level of the economy.

That's interesting considering we just noted that some believe high commodity prices will cause demand in the developing world to sink.

Mr Miller placed some of the blame on financial speculators for oil's price rise – it has more than doubled in the past year – but said that the primary reason is simple supply and demand, driven by the rapidly expanding countries of the developing world, principally China and India.

Some interesting comments regarding growth in China

Just came across this post from NakedCaptialism, particularly some comments regarding growth in China and the impact that high commodities prices is having on it. 

 

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Similarly, EconomPic argues (with charts) that:

Are commodities being driven up by Chinese demand or has China been powered by cheap commodities? The story goes as follows:
High growth in China increases the demand for commodities, such as oil
The increased demand increases the price of commodities
A spike in commodity prices hurts Chinese growth prospects
Slower growth decreases the price of commodities
Rinse, repeat…

More skepticism on the "China's growth as manifest destiny" comes from a story by Edward Chancellor in BreakingViews($, free trial):

Chinese export growth is set to fall sharply. Europeans initially took up the slack after the housing bust dented the appetite of American consumers for all things "Made in China." But the credit crunch is wreaking havoc on both sides of the Atlantic. Recent data suggest that European export demand is slowing. Many claim that Chinese domestic consumption will take up the slack. This is unrealistic. As Walker points out, the UK alone consumes more than China and India combined....

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After falling for years, Chinese export prices to the US have started to climb. The combination of rising inflation and the revaluation of the RMB against the dollar means that China in some sectors is losing its position as the world's low-cost producer. Stratfor recently reported that the textile industry, which accounts for half of China's trade surplus, is under stress and clamouring for the reintroduction of export subsidies. As a result of rising costs, Chinese containerboard companies recently stopped shipping their products abroad, according to Fischer International. Newspaper reports relate that some American companies are moving their manufacturing from China back to the US.